[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Backordered 14.5 URGI upper barrels. Were not the Colt M4A1 Heavy profile barrels. *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. I was wondering if anyone with any experience with both had any insight on which is better and why. I don't want it all. Super Duty has a Geissele top shelf BCG. In 2009 he cofounded the defense and security blog Japan Security Watch. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. In 2018, Military Times revealed that Geissele and Daniel Defense, two high-end makers of AR-15-type rifles and accessories, were collaborating on upper receivers destined for U.S. Army Special Operations Command. If you want something you can dep Cant beat a cold hammer forged dd barrel, these are very well made and hold some incredible accuracy. Have a look Googling borescoped DD barrels, and that ought to help clarify why they cost what they do. The SF4P can also hook up to a Surefire SOCOM 5.5. Highly recommended no matter which size or caliber. Lots of people. I guess instead I should just put my Steiner 1-4 on what I all ready have. I wanted to add this has been updated in the description, these will ship with the SF flash hider mounts and NOT warcomps, changing the value significantly in my opinion. If you go to order one on Geissele's website, they offer four different length base models to choose from including 10. . Who did you speak to if you dont mind and Ill let the head know what a rude asshole the person was. Get whichever you can for the best price and actually shoot it to ensure reliability. With that sight and ammo you arent gonna get much more. Except for KAC the Geissele duper duty is ahead in features and advanced materials. Shop now and get Free Value Shipping on most orders over $49 to the Between those 2, I'd have to go with DD. JavaScript is disabled. Because the AR15.com thread is trustworthy, Ill directly quote the 14.5 URG-I setup recommended: Grip standard M16A2/M16A3/M16A4/M4/M4A1, Selector- Colt full auto ambi P/N SP401017, Bolt carrier group standard M16A4/M4/M4A1, Charging handle Geissele Airborne Charging Handle in Desert Dirt Color with subdued markings- P/N 05-664S NSN 1005-01-672-4803, Barrel DanielDefense 14.5 mid length GOV profile with .076 gas port P/N 07-077-07308, Gas block Daniel Defense pinned gas block which comes on their rifles and URGs, Gas tube Daniel Defense mid length P/N 04-013-18034, Hand guard Geissele 13.5 MK16 in Desert Dirt Color- P/N 05-650S- NSN 1005-01-672-4794, M-LOK rail section Magpul 7 slot aluminum P/N MAG582-BLK, Muzzle device SureFire 4 prong flash hider P/N FH556RC, Suppressor SureFire SOCOM in Dark Earth P/N SOCOM556-RC, Front BUIS Knights Armament Front Flip Sight in Taupe P/N 99051. A magnifying glass. Sign up and get exclusive access to promotions, sales events, pre-order sales & more! If running a suppressor, both are great candidates, DD runs smaller than typical ports. Ex-soldier, a neo-Nazi, gets 45 years for plot to ambush his own unit, Issues with the Armys Europe-based equipment trigger readiness alarms, Veterans Affairs drops mask requirement for all agency medical offices, How the Marine Corps is preparing for era of contested logistics, Tax scams How to report them Money Minute, Capitol Hill weighs action on two controversial topics: medical marijuana and abortion, Lockheed wins hypersonics contract | Defense Dollars, Go inside a secret nuclear fallout bunker sealed for decades, Perennial pilot shortage puts Air Force in precarious position, Pentagon again denies helping Ukraine attack targets inside Russia. My issue is a near new HS NM trigger that has a weak hammer spring and gets misfires. Thank you. The marketing materials have gotten ridiculous. I have a complete ODG SD and look forward to receiving my 10.3 URGI. But, given the features, its hard to argue that there is a better value for price on the market right now. This interchangeability between military and civilian firearms means that gun manufacturers like Geissele and Daniel Defense can easily make parts for military rifles. I thought the urgi were not coupon eligible. From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm. The USASOC URGI is a near-clone of the upper receiver group currently in service with USASOC. In fact, the new AR-15 USASOC URGI, marketed by Brownells on behalf of Geissele, is virtually a clone of the same new Upper Receiver Group - Improved currently being phased into service with the US Armys various Special Forces Groups, and the 75th Ranger Regiment. Just my opinion. For those not familiar, URGI stands for Upper Receiver Group Improved. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. After just getting off the phone with Geissele I will not ever purchase anything from them again. Still not a KAC or JP. Unveiled at SHOT 2018, the URGI a joint collaboration between Geissele and Daniel Defense has already hit the market and is making waves. I have Geissele SSE triggers in my rifles and really like them. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Daniel Defense Rifle Barrel Assembly, 5.56mm NATO, 1:7 Twist, GOV/MID (4) $335.99 $328.00 poppy flower seed pods. I was looking at a slightly used DDM4V5 on armslist for $1250 obo. Is it Block 3, or maybe Mk18 MOD 2? U.S. Special Operations Forces have access to a wide variety of weaponry, but typically their M16 and M4 rifles have not been too different from rifles used by line units. Cookie Notice Good points raised all around - much appreciated. Fast-Attach suppressor, though that doesnt come with either the Stripped or Complete models of the URGI. Gear Expert, For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The barrel lasted significantly longer than the Colt barrel. Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. What are your thoughts on them? Daniel Defense delivers a reliable, accurate AR-15 in the DDM4 V7 with enough extras to keep 5.56 fans interested. Looks to still be in stock, just cant go through with checkout. There are some pretty good discount coupons floating around too. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parver-group-improved-5-56-m-lok-prod114412.aspx, https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-16-M4-Barrel-Stripped-SOCOM-p/bcm-brl-s-m4 socom 16 std.htm, https://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Standard-14-5-M4-SOCOM-Upper-Receiver-p/bcm-urg-m4-14socom.htm. The one thing that can be agreed on is the barrels on the variations were 10.3 inches cold hammer forged cut down from the 14.5 inch colt m4 barrels in the early models and contracted from Colt or Daniel Defense. TNTE Custom | sku: MMC-BLK15FSB M-4 Sopmod Block 1.5 FSB Upper $925.00 While best rail the MK16 isnt; your and the internets interpretations of shift are not correct. The upper also includes a Geissele Airborne Charging Handle, Geissele Super Gas Block, and a Geissele Mk. I was cool with pinned warcomps, but having to switch muzzle devices on a pinned upper, the juice is not worth the squeeze. That's exactly what I was getting at. Let us know how it works for you. AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types. You get a lot for your money. Ive owned three DDs. There are better builds for that kind of cash. Ricky, The mid-length gas system provides smooth and reliable cycling under any condition and reduces both . You must log in or register to reply here. So for true "hard use", I think you have to give the win to DD. A bit like the situation where any build which features a Daniel Defense Mk18 RIS II is referred to as a "Mk18". The 14.5 URGI upper with a Surefire can on it is pretty soft shooting, and is one of the first Id grab out of the safe should it really be needed. 5). The commonality between the M4A1 and AR-15 rifles means that Geissele currently offers for sale a civilian version of the URG-I upper. This short-barreled version of Daniel Defense's DD4 RIII comes with an 11.5-inch Government-profile barrel for maximum maneuverability and a carbine-length gas system for smooth, reliable cycling. Heres a select few pics of the URG-I in the wild. I'm planning on running both suppressed (YHM Turbo K for now). Got ya - for general military its the A2. But in all seriousness who isnt using Surefire Cans these days. Kyle Mizokami is a writer based in San Francisco who has appeared in The Diplomat, Foreign Policy, War is Boring and The Daily Beast. An avid outdoorsman, Ian is also a guns and gear enthusiast. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. This is my third dd barrel and I dont think Ill buy any others. daniel defense (in stock) - 0.0. mfr xs free float m-lok handguard . -forged bolt/upgraded bolt material. You are using an out of date browser. The rifle version includes a URG-I upper lower receiver built by the company and fitted with a Geissele Super Select Fire X trigger (converted to semi-automatic), company Maritime Bolt Catch, and B5 Systems SOPMOD stock. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. The LP gas block is pinned and rock solid! -vastly superior trigger. The GSD has nicer furniture. The Daniel Defense 0707709173018 Barrel .223 Rem/5.56 NATO 16" is a quality addition to the Daniel Defense lineup. Get 10% Off - Subscribe to Our Email List, Toll-Free: +1-800-504-5897 Now that the URG-I is evidently rolling out to US Army Special Forces Groups, I thought Id do a quick primer on it. Barrels. What benefit does a 14.5" + muzzle device get you compared to a 16" + muzzle device? Im trying to stay under 2k for the complete rifle. I have not used a BCM SOCOM profile barrel. I think there is a post on ar15.com with them. As far as small group of users. As an added bonus, the Surefire SOCOM 4-prong flash hider comes as an option, perfectly timed and Rocksett into position. The very best resource for learning about the URG-I and how to clone it is this thread on AR15.com. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Very poor CS to put it mildly. Both are nice fit and finish. Also, its a DD bbl. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. contiguous 48 states, DC, and to all U.S. Military APO/FPO/DPO addresses. Is it a medium profile socom or skinny to fat government profile? Colt URGI 14.5 clone correct, Daniel Defense barrel, Geissele mk16 rail. In the guts of the Complete model is a mid-length gas system with a low-profile gas block a non-standard modification that allows for better round cycling for follow-up shots than the average gas tubes that most ARs come with today. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Ive been killing myself going back and forth past few days, any help w any tidbit of advice would be greatly appreciated, ****Edit Hmmlooks like they may be out of stock? The URG-I's Mk16 SMR is its most distinctive feature. Ill let him know and I actually requested a heavier spring for my NM trigger for my service rifle. This article first appeared last year. Daniel Defense rubber-coated pistol grip and stock are very comfortable without adding weight or sacrificing strength. 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That is why I have used and will continue to use a Pic rail in order to get the rigidity and durability that I need. The barrels are either Colt or Daniel Defense government profile chrome-lined barrel, both of which have been used widely by military and law enforcement units. Same reason I only use A-2 flash hiders. - Geisselle Low Profile Gas Block.